Who Killed the Gold Price?

The Gold Report: On April 15, the gold price plunged about 9%the biggest one-day loss ever for the yellow metal. Many gold investors got "murdered" that day. Has your personal investigation revealed any suspects?

Ian Gordon: I suspect it was akin to what happened in 1999. The then-governor of the Bank of England, Edward George, supposedly said that "any further rise in the gold price would take down one or more trading houses." He said the rising price of gold was curtailed through the work of the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England. It appears that a bullion bank was caught offside on the short side and they had to take the price of gold down quite dramatically to allow it to cover.

I think something similar happened in April. I think it was manipulated to the downside. Goldman, Sachs Co. encouraged its clients to short sell gold two days before this occurred.

TGR: Could it have just been an error?

IG: I always suspect the worst. There's so much manipulation in all the markets as I see it.

TGR: That one-day drop caught even long-time gold investors off guard and shook their confidence. Is being a precious metals investor at this point simply about having the resolve to stay the course, or should even the ardent investors make adjustments to their gold portfolios?

IG: I'm extremely bullish on gold. Bullishness in gold, according to the website Market Vane, is at 40%, the lowest it has been since 2001. Bullishness in the stock market is at 70%, which is almost the highest it has been since Market Vane began tracking it. I see a reversal occurring here, for the gold price to the upside and the stock market to the downside.

TGR: There's no way to sugar coat the disappointing performance of gold and silver in 2013. But has the current global economic backdrop provided some new and compelling reasons to own gold and precious metal equities?

IG: There are compelling reasons to be bullish on gold particularly, simply because there is a real worldwide crisis in fiat money. The unfolding crisis is similar to the 1930s, when the whole monetary system collapsed. We're envisioning something quite similar to that collapse is now occurring.

We can see that there's this huge move to gold, not only by countries like China and Russia and even the small "-stan" countries, but major investors are also taking up the physical metal because they can see this crisis unfolding.

TGR: Most of what I'm reading says that there just aren't a lot of bids in the market right now for precious metals. Investment demand has waned, with gold falling consistently lower since its high in 2011.

IG: Investment demand is huge. The output of American Eagle gold bullion coins by the U.S. Mint is at record highs. Demand by the small investors for gold and silver is at unprecedented levels. The amount of gold that's being imported through Hong Kong into China is at a record level.

TGR: Yet, at the same time, India, which is the world's biggest gold consumer, increased the royalty from 6% to 8% on gold imports.

IG: It has, but India is notorious for gold smuggling. Most people are going to look for a way to go around those taxes. I suspect that there will be the same amount of gold imported into India through Dubai, but most of it won't be declared.

TGR: You say you're seeing strong demand for the physical metal, but investors have been getting out of exchange-traded funds (ETFs) and equities in mass numbers.

IG: With regards to the gold ETFs, I suspect that many investors are cashing in their paper claims to take possession of the physical. Yes, gold stocks, particularly the juniors, have been slaughtered, But once bullishness returns to gold, bullishness will return to gold equities. When you get this overly bearishness in markets, it's usually indicative of a turn. I'm confident that we're going to see a turn to the upside. I also believe that the turn in the stock market to the downside is about to begin.

TGR: I get the sense that there's a prevailing sentiment that we haven't hit a bottom yet in the mining equity space and that there's another leg down before we see a move to the upside. Do you see that as well?

IG: That is always a possibility and it can't be ruled out, but the precious metals' fundamentals are as compelling today as they have ever been.

TGR: Could it be seasonality due to the summer?

IG: I don't think so and anyway I am a long-term investor and I am essentially not concerned by short-term price machinations. As I have said, the most compelling reason to own gold is the crippling debt crisis, which has brought about the probability of a catastrophic end to fiat currencies.

TGR: Sean Boyd, the chief executive of Agnico-Eagle Mines Ltd. (AEM:TSX; AEM:NYSE), recently told Bloomberg that gold could reach about $1,800/ounce ($1,800/oz) within a year. What's your medium-term outlook for gold and silver?

"When you get this overly bearishness in markets, it's usually indicative of a turn. I'm confident that we're going to see a turn to the upside."

IG: The market is going to have to go through a consolidation that could last for weeks. However, I'm much more bullish on gold than I am on silver because gold has traditionally been recognized as money sine qua non. Industrial demand is going to drop quite precipitously as the world goes into the depression stage of the cycle. Nevertheless, it is likely that silver will take on the role of poor man's gold.

My belief is we're going to see a decoupling between the paper markets and the physical markets. The demand for physical is going to grow dramatically. It's going to make the paper markets irrelevant.

I'm not sure if it's going to be a year as Sean says, but it's going to be extremely strong and the move will be very dramatic once it starts. The old highs of $1,900/oz will be surpassed by a long shot over the medium to long term.

TGR: Do you think silver will fall below the $20/oz level in the next six months to a year?

IG: We're as oversold as we were in 2008, although the price isn't as low as it was then. I see a consolidation in the price, but I don't forecast much lower prices occurring in either of the precious metals. Once this consolidation is over, I see a resumption of the bull market.

TGR: Amid the moribund news cycle for gold and silver, there have been some feel-good stories in the equities space.

IG: True. A company like Newmont Mining Corp. (NEM:NYSE) is a really good story because it has a 4% dividend. It's trading at a low book value.

Agnico-Eagle is well managed. It's been moving into the junior space in anticipation of a move up in the market. Agnico-Eagle has recently acquired interests in five junior mining companies because management is bullish on gold and the company can invest in promising junior companies at very cheap prices that have good potential to grow their assets.

TGR: Does Newmont have the cash flow to maintain a 4% dividend?

IG: Yes, I think it does. Investors are buying these companies at or close to a price low. When the gold price increases, Newmont's profitability will increase and it should be able to raise the dividend quite dramatically. The same thing happened in the 1930s. Even though the gold price was fixed at $20.67/oz, the dividends that companies like Homestake and Dome Mines were paying out were enormous10% dividends were being paid out, particularly after Roosevelt raised the price from $20.67 to $35/oz.

TGR: Is there any good news among the juniors?

IG: In the junior sphere, you can buy some companies for nearly $10/oz of gold in the ground.

One of the juniors that I've consistently talked about is Temex Resources Corp. (TME:TSX.V; TQ1:FSE), which has about 4 million ounces (4 Moz) of gold in the ground in Ontario, Canada.

TGR: What is Temex's cash position?

IG: The company has about $7 million ($7M) in cash. It did a financing prior to this horror story that we've gone through in the past year. I talked to the CEO, Ian Campbell, who said that Temex has sufficient cash to last another two years, even with the drilling that is ongoing.

TGR: Are you more bullish on the Whitney or the Juby project?

IG: I guess I'm more bullish on Juby, even though it's a lower grade project. Temex only owns 60% of the Whitney property; Goldcorp Inc. (G:TSX; GG:NYSE) owns 40%.

"The demand for physical commodities is going to grow dramatically. It's going to make the paper markets irrelevant."

The chances are that there's about 3 Moz at Juby. The gold definitely runs beyond where the company has drilled and I believe that overall Juby could turn into a major deposit. I am not belittling the Whitney property because that too could be a very large deposit, but Temex only owns 60% of Whitney.

Another old favorite is Barkerville Gold Mines Ltd. (BGM:TSX.V). The company's trading has been halted by the British Columbia Securities Commission (BCSC) as it answers some questions about its NI 43-101. . It has just published a new NI 43-101 resource of 4.98 Moz and a potential resource of 927 Moz. These are very good numbers. It will be interesting to see what value investors put to these numbers. I believe that there is significant potential for the company to grow this discovery quite substantially.

TGR: Are there any other gold equities that you're fond of at these low prices?

IG: I own about 10% of Alliance Mining Corp. (ALM:TSX.V). The company has a little bit of a cash problem, but it has some fantastic projects in the largest gold-silver producing area in Arizona. It also purchased some properties in Mexico that are almost contiguous to the Orisyvo mine. The company is well managed and has good relationships with the mining fraternity in Arizona. It's a good story with some very prospective properties.

TGR: What about some other companies?

IG: I own Freegold Ventures Ltd. (FVL:TSX) in Alaska, which has about 5 Moz and growing. It's close to the Kinross Gold Corp. (K:TSX; KGC:NYSE) Fort Knox mine. I like the management of Freegold. Investors should be looking at it simply because of the growth in the ground gold assets that the company owns, its proximity to the Fort Knox mine and a dedicated management team.

I'm extremely bullish on Terraco Gold Corp. (TEN:TSX.V). The company is one of the best managed juniors out there. Todd Hilditch, the CEO, does a fantastic job in acquiring royalties on the Barrick Gold Corp. (ABX:NYSE)/Midway Gold Corp. (MDW:TSX.V; MDW:NYSE.MKT) Spring Valley property in Nevada. These royalties have been estimated to have a value of about $70M. Barrick doesn't have to tell us how much gold is being discovered there, but people are quoting it at 6 Moz and I think that it is based on that number that the value of the Terraco royalty has been estimated.

TGR: What about Terraco's Moonlight project?

IG: It's contiguous to the Barrick/Midway project. There's a good chance that the gold being discovered on the Barrick/Midway project is going to run onto the Terraco property.

TGR: Terraco is worth about $18M right now. Why wouldn't Barrick just buy Terraco versus obtaining the royalty?

IG: Some of these companies, like Agnico, are prepared to do that, but a lot of these seniors have made so many blunders that they're too frightened to do anything. Take, for example, Pascua Lama, the Barrick property on the border of Argentina and Chile. See how mismanaged that appears to have been, the capital expenditure that has already gone into it, and the bickering between the Chilean government and the company and great properties?

But you're right. Why wouldn't someone go after a company like Terraco, which has a nice royalty?

TGR: What about companies outside the Americas?

IG: I like Orex Minerals Inc. (REX:TSX.V), which has about 1 Moz gold in Sweden. However, it has mainly silver properties in Mexico. Orex was planning to spin out the silver properties into a separate company, but it hasn't done that yet because of the market.

TGR: Detour Gold Corp. (DGC:TSX) is not too far from Temex. It poured gold this year, but hasn't reached commercial production yet. It secured a credit facility and financing. Is it on track to go commercial in the second half of this year?

IG: I love the Abitibi greenstone belt and I love Detour's project. It's huge25 Moz. I'm sure it will get into production this year, but I don't own Detour.

I did own the company that basically found Detour, Pelangio Exploration Inc. (PX:TSX.V). Pelangio was an exceptionally good investment for my investors when I was a broker at Canaccord. I did a financing in Pelangio around 2001 at $0.11/share. When Detour took Pelangio over, it was valued at about $5/share.

TGR: Pelangio plans to produce 650,000 oz annually. Is that realistic?

IG: It never happens as smoothly as anticipated. I'm sure there will be hiccups, but eventually that kind of production rate can be achieved.

TGR: The silver producers continue to perform regardless of the commodity price performance or investor sentiment for the most part. What names are you following in that segment of the precious metals market?

IG: I'm more bullish on gold, Brian. However, I do follow a few companies that I don't have a stake in. I keep an eye on Fortuna Silver Mines Inc. (FSM:NYSE; FVI:TSX; FVI:BVL; F4S:FSE) because it took over an asset of a company that I financed called Continuum Resources Ltd. I like the management of Fortuna.

I watch Endeavour Silver Corp. (EDR:TSX; EXK:NYSE; EJD:FSE) because I helped finance the company in its preproduction days when I was at Canaccord. The company is also extremely well managed. I love the growth profile that the company has achieved. It's really interesting and cheap. If you're looking for a silver play, it might be the one simply because it's so cheap. Its high is $13/share and it's at around $3.85/share, yet it's increasing production all the time.

TGR: You are often investing in financings. Do you ever buy equities in the open market?

IG: I do. For example, I bought Barkerville in the market. When it came out with its numbers last June, they were received with massive disbelief. The price of the stock didn't reflect the numbers. I went in the market and bought substantially to build my position because the price wasn't reflecting the asset.

I also bought Alliance Mining and Temex when the shares have been cheap.

TGR: How do you determine cheap?

IG: Relative to where it was formerly priced and the value I place on the company's assets. I started to buy gold and silver stocks in 2000 because they were cheap and no one wanted them. We are in the same position in the market today. We know the bullish consensus numbers for gold are at the same levels that they were in 2001. You can buy these things really cheap.

The only reason anybody wouldn't be buying them is because they don't believe that the price of gold is going to rise. I believe that the price is going to rise substantially because the chaos in the financial markets is going to be horrendous.

TGR: Thanks, Ian.

A globally renowned economic forecaster, author and speaker, Ian Gordon is founder and chairman of the Longwave Group, which comprises two companiesLongwave Analytics and Longwave Strategies. The former specializes in Gordon's ongoing study and analysis of the Longwave Principle originally expounded by Nikolai Kondratiev. With Longwave Strategies, Gordon assists select precious metal companies in financings. Educated in England, Gordon graduated from the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst. After a few years serving as a platoon commander in a Scottish regiment, he moved to Canada in 1967 and entered the University of Manitoba's History Department. Taking that step has had a profound impact because, during this period, he began to study the historical trends that ultimately provided the foundation for his Longwave theory. Gordon has been publishing his Longwave Analyst website since 1998. Eric Sprott, chairman, CEO and portfolio manager at Sprott Asset Management, describes Gordon as "a rare breed in the investment-adviser arena." He notes that Gordon's forecasts "have taken on a life force of their own and if you care to listen, Gordon will tell you how it will all end."

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18 thoughts on “Who Killed the Gold Price?

  1. The market looks pretty logical to me. It´s anticipating rising U.S. interest rates and therefore buys dollars. The Greenback is currently at a 3-year high and 5% below the top of its trading range of the last 5-6 years. Of course all its counter-trades are/will be in retreat, metals included. U.S. stocks are trying to shrug off the dollar run presently but it will eventually show in the books of DJIA multinationals. A rising dollar simply means fewer dollars to book back home as revenue and profits which should result in lower stock prices.

    1. Galdur

      Here is something to ponder. If those 4 massive dumps (attacks) over the last 2 years had not occurred and gold was trading well above $2500 would the dollar instead be under massive pressure? And would not the dollar be at all time lows? And I am curious what is "logical" about dumpting 100's of tons of naked shorts on the premarket in a matter of minutes other than to drive the price sharply lower? And of course they propping up the dollar which has been under serious pressure due to the actions of the FED over the last 5 years.

  2. Hmmm

    The actual attack on GOLD occurred on Friday morning April 12 of 2013. At approximately 8:30 am EST prior to the market open over 400 worth of naked shorts were dumped on the markets in less than 10 minutes. This pattern of dumping has occurred just minutes prior to every single major decline in the last 2 years. This isn't rocket science.
    it is a simple criminal enterprise that uses brute force rather than subtly and guile.

  3. Quite the debate and discussion here. What's your thoughts on the correlation between paper gold and bullion especially during the turmoil around April or earlier in the year? There's also a lot of discussion around bitcoin, any thoughts there? I feel the flame coming...


  4. Who killed the price of gold? Here's an article where someone called it a while ago... http://www.myforexdot.org.uk/gold-bubble.html

    It's like this. Why is gold falling in price? Well lets think about gold... It pays no dividends, you gain nothing from holding it, and it's intrinsic value amounts to very little.

    So why did it rise in the first place? To start with people were scared so the price went up, then people saw the price rising and said buy it because gold only goes up. Then it stopped going up because everyone that wanted to own it already did. Now it's over.

    It's called a bubble.

  5. I hope the admin are correct because I'm already down 58% on my investment in a gold miners fund! I also believed in the value of gold (been an asset since biblical times), and its rise due to inflation or at least fears of inflation. For those commentators who don't think inflation is here, I ask you WHEN have Americans had to pay over $4 for a gallon of milk, or over $3 for a loaf of bread? How much did your first new car cost? My fully loaded dream car cost $3,000 out the door and included all taxes! Try matching that price today! Then there's the cost to fill up your car. Back then (in the 60's) I filled my car weekly for $3 and got a free beer mug to boot! Our 2 bedroom apartment rented for $75/month and included the heat.

    You'll never convince me that there's no inflation!

    1. April
      No one here is arguing there is no inflation. Of course there is. The official numbers are fabricated nonsense (very much understated) as we all know.

      The problem is April that the gold proponents will always tell you that you cannot go wrong buying gold at any price because with inflation it will always go up at at least the same pace. This of course is not true if you look at history. It is also nonsense to suggest that the metoric rise in the gold price to USD1900 an ounce was due to fundamentals and simply a refection of inflation. You might recall that when gold reached around USD1800 for the first time there was a mass of these people telling everyone that gold was going well over the 2000 mark very soon thereafter. They were very wrong because they are not capable of predicting anything other than paying taxes and death.

      You are down 58% on your investments because you seemingly blindly listened to the gold bugs never ending optimism instead of what the market was telling you. These people will always tell you what you want to hear. If you had set a sensible stop loss price on your investment you would have been out of your fund with small losses and kept most of your capital. Instead you have listened to the gold proponents and have lost most of your capital.

      You mentioned that you "hope the admin" are correct. Well you are one of the people that Spette in his post below indicated had been financially destroyed by blindingly following the line being fed to you by the gold proponents. I read a piece a few weeks ago from one of these high profile people (who sell gold investment products of course) suggesting that the gold price was probably being manipulated and, if it was not for that, it would be selling at around $2600 per ounce today (which is about 116% higher than it is trading at as I write). This kind of stuff is constantly being fed to anyone that will listen and is as fake as the suggestion that futures prices will become irrelevant. This is the "ignore the market" and "hopes and wishes" investment approach that these people want you to follow because if you follow their advice and lose they still win. These people cannot predict gold prices any more than you can because there are just too many variables at work.

      I am sorry to hear of your losses but I think you will find that "hope they are correct" will not work well for you as an investment philosophy.

      1. Thank you, DRSPRO, for your kind response. I just don't know what to do now. I am in a very low tax bracket so taking this huge loss isn't a big deal for me. The fund continues to take over 1% management fees yearly which only adds to my loss, so logic should tell me to sell. Yet I can't do it! Again, thanks for your insights which I will consider.

      2. Someone once called it the "buy-and-hope" approach to investing.

  6. Gold goes up; gold goes down; sometimes quite drastically (either way)! The beta is High. Is that news to anyone? If it is, you shouldn't be in gold.

  7. Well said Spette. You are a breath of fresh air. Loved your comment and I would like to add some views if I may.

    These gold spruikers, such as the above, are in a constant state of denial when the markets move against them and their forecasts which of course are nothing more than guesses. They could not reliably tell you what the price of gold will be in 6 months let alone 2 -3 years. (I cannot either nor can you).

    It is always the same old litany of statements from these people who are all singing from the same hymn book. I have been reading their stuff for 8 years and it is all very familiar. They continue to trot out the same old tired arguments as to why you should continue to buy gold whatever the price because after all it can only go up and you are guaranteed to make a profit. These are the same people who were telling all that would listen to them a couple of years ago that gold would be trading at well above USD2000 by this time. As I write Gold is trading at around USD 1200. Pity help the bunnies that bought at around the 1800 mark because it will have to appreciate by 50% from here to get back to that point.

    Most of these spruikers, such as Mr Gordon, have one thing in common. They have a vested financial interest in you not selling your gold but continuing to buy regardless as the price falls. They are either selling gold or gold products or gold related products as part of their business or have a large position in gold or gold products and/or in gold stocks. The last thing these people will ever do is to tell you to sell your gold. After gold fell from its lofty heights they were telling all those that would listen to them to buy the dip because it is only a dip and after all gold can only go up. Well the price charts tell a different story and all the suckers that took their advice are now looking at significant capital losses.


    But this is what the Gold spruikers are constantly telling people. Ignore the market. If it is going down it is wrong and we are right. Just ignore it and buy gold because you are guaranteed not to lose.

    When the market has been declining in the past some of the following is what they have been arguing:

    - There is a conspiracy to supress the price of gold because higher prices make the central banks look bad. (lol lol lol). This piece of nonsense does not even warrant comment.

    - The price is being forced down by massive manipulation of the market due to excessive short selling and you should ignore it and buy gold. (Since gold hit 1900 USD it was essentially in limbo for a period and for nearly a year has been in a clear decline. It has failed 3 times to get back over USD1800. If you believe an asset can be manipulated for that long you will believe anything. Of course all short sales have to be closed out with a buy order but these conspiracy theorists ignore that.)

    - There is NO speculative element in the gold price- it is all based on strong fundamentals. (Yeah right. I love this one. There is speculation in all other asset classes but gold is different and speculators never buy gold. Lol Lol. The reality is that speculative cash will always follow a rising asset class and then the pros get out when the market is overbought. To the spruikers, the message they want you to take is that the market in gold is never over bought and no one speculates on gold prices).

    - There are bubbles in other assets when prices go to the extremes but gold is not in any kind of bubble. ( I love this one too. Now these people will tell you if the price of real estate or just about any other major asset of note goes up 3 or 4 fold in 7- 10 years there is a massive bubble but if the price of gold goes up by that amount it is just due to the strong fundamentals. So if we go back excactly 10 years from today the price was USD340 per ounce and in just over 8 years later it went to USD1900 - a 460% increase - but the spruikers were all saying it was not a bubble and it is going higher. Bubbles are never confirmed until after the event but USD1900 gold sure looks like a bubble to me).

    - Ignore the history of gold prices and simply look at what has happened since 2000/2001. (Yes they do this because previous history does not sit well with current arguments and of course it is all differnet this time. Lol,)

    - Gold will always go up in price because of inflation. (Well just look at the 25 yr period from 1980 to 2004 and you will see what a giant lie this is but the spruikers continue to run with it. To them no one should look at gold pricing before 2000).

    - It is really not relevant what the gold futures prices are because there is an enormous demand for gold so very soon the futures prices will be irrelevant. (More wishful thinking. This is the "hope" investment strategy and it is what they want you to follow. "Wishes" and "hopes" and "it should be at this price not what it is now" was never a sound investment strategy but this is what they are selling you. Fine - take your 200 ounces of gold you bought at 1450USD and ask your gold dealer to give you that 1450USD price on a sale because the demand for physical gold is so high and thus you should be given a premium for your gold. Best of luck with that. He will laugh you out of his premises.)

    - When there is a major sell of in other asset classes due to unfavourable economic circumstances you will be safe with gold because as a minimum it will not go down and more than likely will surge in value. (This is utter nonsense as was shown during the last financial crisis when gold was sold off with every other asset class and fell by over 20%. This is the oppposite of what the spruikers claim. They always argue that in times of serious financial crisis, like the last, gold will only appreciate in price. Form your own judgement on that one.)

    Denial, denial,denial.

  8. Who killed it? And keeps killing it? YOU. Yes you, the pundits who "never saw it coming" all too reminiscent of 2008. The prognosticators who are killing it by adamantly refusing to show any humility, who just blindly go on saying the exact same things while everyone literally gets DESTROYED. Yes you, who never once produce a win/loss track record, and have no shame not doing so.

    The above prognosticator is another in a long line who only go back to using 2001 oversold metrics, instead of being honest and admitting it's a bear market.... he will also utterly refuse to use pre 2001 oversold calculations.

    It's called total denial, no different than any of them in 2000-2001 refusing to believe the tech bull market was done. In the process, destroying anyone who listens to them and not caring in the least because if you don't tell subscribers what they want to hear, then they simply won't renew.

    Finally the guy simply doesn't get that if the entire market collapses, mining stocks won't somehow explode to the upside. We have seen that countless times already. 1987, 1997-98, 2008-09, no response for the european collapse, so on an so forth. Utter contempt should be shown to any pundit who is in denial and that would willingly outright lie just to gain subscribers and customers.

    Since a good number of the masses are actually convinced that there is 1% inflation and "the deficit" is falling, none of the feel good stories matter in the least.

    1. Whoa, Spette - lighten up, my man.

      It sounds an awful lot like YOU also didn't see the big declines coming, got burned, and you are now lashing out and blaming others for not saving you, in order to feel better about your mistake.

      1. Nah, thanks for the concern Aunty, but I actually use.... gulp wait for it, stops..... and discipline, to control losses. A foreign concept, I know. Just can't stand those who like you?? continue to be wrong and refuse to admit they are wiping out savings of families they will neve see or meet in real life, there are those who actually hinge on what these guys have to say because it sounds good and go all in based on it.

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